HAS Young Astronomers Group:

Below are a few photos; there are more further down!


Our Young Astronomers Group was originally founded by our late Secretary Frances Ridgley, and was re-established in 2021. It provides a friendly setting for young people aged 8-16 to find out more about astronomy and make friends with other youngsters with a common interest in the subject.

 

The group meets at Thames Chase Forest Centre on the first Thursday of the month at 7pm (doors open at 6.45pm), and meetings usually last just over an hour. We don't meet in August.  Our activities include:

 

  • Talks by HAS members on a variety of astronomical topics, including spaceflight, the solar system, the night sky, stars, galaxies and black holes.
  • Space news and what is in the night sky
  • Monthly newsletter with Peter’s observing notes
  • Activities to do between meetings
  • The Christmas quiz at the December meeting, with nibbles
  • Observing after our meetings (if it is dark and the sky is clear) and at special sessions throughout the year, including our popular Perseids meteor observing session in mid-August (weather permitting)
  • Advice about buying telescopes and binoculars
  • Telescope loan scheme
  • An annual outing to a place of astronomical interest. In October 2022 we had a very successful trip to the Royal Observatory in Greenwich; and in November 2023, to the Bayfordbury Observatory, part of the University of Hertfordshire. In October this year we visited the National Space Centre in Leicester.  These visits are made possible through the kind donation made by Ian Ridgley and family in memory of Frances Ridgley, late Society founder member and long time Society Secretary.

 

The group is led by Les Brand, our Outreach Officer, who works part-time as a Support Astronomer and Adult Astronomy Tutor at the Royal Observatory Greenwich, and other colleagues in the Havering Astronomical Society. For further information, please e-mail Liz Watson at young.astronomers@havastro.co.uk.


YA meetings and activities:

info and photos from selected dates are below

December 2024 - annual Christmas quiz

Peter Morris and Magda Wheatley presented our annual Christmas quiz. We had 20 questions, with a break for festive nibbles halfway through. The question formats included multi-choice, true/false (with the YAs holding up laminated cards to indicate "True"' or "False"), and some “free responses” – plus there were a few jokes. Questions ranged from general knowledge (such as “What kind of star cluster is the Hercules Cluster (M13)?”), to some based on material which had been covered during the year; and a few quirky ones, such as “Elon Musk sent this [pictured] car into space in 2018: True or False?”. Amazingly, the YA’s seemed to generally know the answer to this last one!


We also had a news item (about the discovery by the Chinese Chang-e 6 mission in June of volcanic basalt on the far side of the Moon); and a look at the December night sky. 

Above are four sample questions from the quiz - do you know the answers? (see below):


  1. For us on Earth, the Sun rises in the east and then sets in the west. In reality, the Sun does not move at all. It is the Earth rotating from west to east that makes the Sun appear to move across the sky every day from east to west.
  2. False. It was Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 that slammed into Jupiter’s atmosphere in July 1994, having been captured by the planet’s gravitational forces about twenty years earlier. 
  3. The Ring Nebula is a planetary nebula in the Summer constellation of Lyra. 
  4. d) Oxygen.  The green aurora is produced by oxygen atoms which are 100 to 300 km above the Earth’s surface. It is the result of excited oxygen atoms producing green light. Even higher in the atmosphere (at 300 to 400 km), the air is thin and the oxygen atoms emit red light. 

November 2024 - Les Brand presented a talk about comets, followed by a 'make your own spectroscope' activity

In the wake of C2023 A3 (Tsuchinshan–ATLAS), which some of you might have seen in October, Les Brand gave a talk about comets, "time capsules" of the early Solar System, covering aspects such as their structure, where they come from, and their orbital periods. Notable ones mentioned included, among others, Halley's Comet (average orbital period 76 years; depicted in the Bayeux Tapestry); Shoemaker-Levy 9, which crashed into Jupiter in 1994 and left brown impact marks; and Hale-Bopp, last seen for around 18 months in 1996-7.  We also saw an entertaining video* by the Royal Observatory Greenwich about ESA's Rosetta Mission, the first to land on a comet (67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko, in 2014). 


We then had an activity which followed on from John Neal's talk about spectroscopy in October.  The YAs made spectroscopes from toilet roll tubes, taping a piece of cardboard with a thin slit at one end, and a wider, rectangular piece of spectroscopic grating material (made of plastic; similar to what coats a CD) at the other end, at a 90° angle to the slit.  The YAs - some parents also took part! - then looked up at the fluorescent lights and saw the light split up into its constituent colours of red, green and blue. 

A very enjoyable and participatory meeting - with, in particular, lots of questions about the recent vivid aurorae, which formed one of the news items. 


* The video can be seen here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dNdl_ZVD6g&t=3s


Interactive website with information on asteroids and comets: https://eyes.nasa.gov/apps/asteroids/#/home


Image credits: #1: NASA/W. Liller - NSSDC's Photo Gallery (NASA); #2: ESA; #3-4: Les Jones;


Visit to the National Space Centre, Leicester - 5 October 2024 (adult and YA joint visit) -

see details and photos here.

October 2024 - John Neal presented 'Weird Stars: CSI Meets Astronomy', followed by observing outside

The YAs turned detective in October! John Neal presented ‘Weird Stars: CSI Meets Astronomy’, using the analogy of detectives looking for evidence when we had a go at examining the 'stellar crime scene' using spectroscopy. The spectrum of a star tells us how hot, and what kind of star, it is. We looked at two 'weird stars' which have left the main sequence of more orderly, 'well-behaved' stars.  As John said, any good detective considers all the evidence first, so he guided us through the spectra and attributes of two exceptional, but 'weird', stars:



  • Suspect #1: WR136, in Cygnus, has a spectrum similar to a hot O-type star, but also has strong emission lines which show that it's very hot, energetic, and is nearing the end of its life. It's an example of a Wolf-Rayet star, found in the Crescent Nebula (NGC 6888), and is likely to end its life in a supernova to produce a neutron star or a black hole.
  • Suspect #2: Y Canum Venaticorum, also known as La Superba, is in Canes Venatici under the handle of the Plough. Its spectrum is similar to that of a red supergiant, but it has bands produced by carbon (the Swan bands), cyanogen and carbon monoxide rather than the titanium oxide bands of a typical red supergiant. This type of supergiant, called a carbon star, is even cooler than a normal red supergiant. It will soon explode to form a planetary nebula with a white dwarf at its centre. It's so red that you will know it when you spot it - though you'll probably need a telescope or binoculars!


John's talk was followed by an observing session, as the skies were clear. Targets included Saturn, and also Vega and the Ring Nebula (image #5), viewed using the ZWO Seestar. 


Photo/image credits: 1-4 and 6 - Les Jones; 5 - Les Brand   


September 2024 - 'Meteors and Meteorites - and how to find them': talk and activity

Magda Wheatley showed photos from the club’s August 11 Perseid Watch Party, and gave a brief run-through of various 'space rocks' (comets, asteroids and meteoroids). We then looked at examples of craters and meteor showers. Magda explained how scientists find meteorites in remote locations such as Antarctica and deserts. We also learned that you can find micrometeorites (usually less than a millimetre across) closer to home, in the ‘debris’ (dust) found on flat roofs or gutters. We then saw a video about how to do this 'urban micrometeorite hunting'. 

The YAs then used small neodymium magnets inside plastic bags to pick up tiny metallic pieces from sweepings from roofs and driveways, brought in by Magda, Peter Morris and Les Brand. The YAs examined this fine metallic dust with a torch and magnifying glass. We saw some samples in more detail on Les' laptop, using his digital microscope. We're not sure if we did find any micrometeorites, but there’s a chance we did, as about 30,000 tons of ‘space debris’ falls on to the Earth each year!


Photo credits: #1-3: Les Jones; #4: Les Brand


July 2024 - Jupiter and the Great Red Spot

In response to a request from members, Les Jones gave a presentation on Jupiter and the Great Red Spot. He talked about the largest and oldest planet’s formation and its influence on the creation of the Solar System and our Earth in particular. He then described the largest storm in the Solar System, its age and how recent spacecraft missions have revealed some surprises about the storm and its possible future.


June 2024 - talk (with practical demonstration) entitled 'Introduction to Astrophotography’

Les Brand began the evening's proceedings by presenting Max with an astronomy-themed book in recognition of him being the first Young Astronomer to give a presentation to the group at last month's meeting (entitled 'Illuminating the Universe: The role of Light in Astronomy'). Les then presented the usual regular features: what to look for in the coming month's Night Sky and recent Space News.


Les then gave a talk entitled  ‘Introduction to Astrophotography’. He explained, with the aid of telescopes and other props, the basics of just using a smartphone or ordinary camera, and how to connect to a telescope eyepiece. After the break, a practical demonstration was held outside the Education Room. There Les used a refractor telescope with a smartphone attached to the eyepiece to view and image a distant target. 

   


May 2024 - talk about the Role of Light in astronomy

We were delighted to have our first presentation by a Young Astronomer.  Max gave a great talk about Light, entitled 'Illuminating the Universe: The role of Light in Astronomy' - going through the spectrum to discuss light (more broadly, electromagnetic radiation) at its various wavelengths; and the uses of these different types in astronomical research.  He asked some questions of the audience, such as 'What is the origin of light?' and 'How does the sun produce light?', and also talked about telescopes that operate at different wavelengths.   

   

This was followed by two regular features: finding out about next month's night sky, and news items - this month, about a new way of measuring the spin of a black hole, and about the beautiful Northern Lights seen earlier in May, with a short slideshow of some of the many images taken by club members. 

   

We also heard about the Open Day, to be held at Thames Chase on Saturday 29 June, 11am to 4pm - a screenshot (#4) of one of the slides is above.  This will include 45-minute shows in a mobile planetarium, for which tickets (£5 each, suitable for those aged four and above) can be bought here: https://www.tickettailor.com/events/thameschase/1259821, or on the day.  See our home page for further details. 


Thank again to Max for his wonderful talk!                                                                          Credits: #1. photo by M Wheatley; #2-3, from Max's presentation


April 2024 - 8 April solar eclipse - talks and related activities

Club members John Sweeney and our Secretary, Liz Watson, talked about their trips to Mexico and Texas, respectively, to see the impressive solar eclipse of 8 April. They had varying degrees of success, due to local weather conditions, but gave a great summary of what it's like to travel for such events. John and Liz also showed some photos from that eclipse, and from a number of others. 

    Les Brand helped the YAs to show, with some model planets and moons, how and why eclipses occur; and how the Moon is at an appropriate size and distance from the Sun whereby total eclipses can take place. The YAs also demonstrated the effect of the Earth's tidal locking of the Moon, spinning once on its axis in the same time it takes to orbit the Earth, and therefore always showing the same side to us. 

    Les used his Tellarium (above right, and left) to illustrate the mechanics of an eclipse. 


Photo credits: Liz Watson.  Short video demonstrating the Tellarium (left): Les Brand


March 2024 - Black holes: talk and activities

Les Brand gave a talk on black holes, a topic which had been requested by the Young Astronomers, divided into two parts. In the first half, he spoke about the life-cycle of massive stars and how they end their lives in a supernova explosion, producing a very dense neutron star or a black hole, depending on the initial mass of the star. This was followed by a hands-on activity, using balloons wrapped in tin foil, which showed how stars keep their mass despite internal changes within the star, then how they are compressed into a small ball with the same mass.


The second part of the talk was about how black holes were first found, and how they can be detected. Les then spoke about the supermassive black holes at the centre of the elliptical galaxy M87 (in Virgo) and of our galaxy (called Sagittarius A*). The evening ended with the second activity, which used buckets, balls of different sizes and stretchy fabric to explore how “matter tells spacetime how to curve, and curved spacetime tells matter how to move” (Prof John Wheeler). Straws and tiny balls were used to find out how the escape velocity varies with mass of the object.


Photo credits: Les Jones


February 2024 - Possibility of life on exoplanets: talk and activity

We began the meeting with 'Are There Aliens', a video about the possibility of life on other planets; the link is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMXgTLopRx0. This was followed by an activity, involving the YAs drawing possible lifeforms on five exoplanets. They had to relate their proposed lifeform to conditions on the planet they had chosen, and came up with a wide range of imaginative possibilities.


After the break Peter Morris gave a talk on the topic. He said that alien life might be simple, like slime on Earth. Even simple organisms change their planet’s atmosphere, producing chemical signals which may indicate the presence of life. K2 18b (a planet orbiting a red dwarf star) has an exotic chemical in its atmosphere called dimethyl sulphide. Is this the first sign of life outside Earth?


Photo credits: #1, 3 and 4 - Les Jones; #2 - Les Brand

Video credit: Royal Observatory Greenwich


January 2024 - Telescopes: talk and hands-on session

Les Brand gave a detailed talk about telescopes and binoculars, with a lot of practical information about acquiring and using them. We also had a hands-on session, looking at a wide range of scopes and binoculars set up in the Education Room and the Barn (we didn't go outside, as it wasn't a clear night). 

Les also demonstrated the ZWO Seestar smart telescope, which can be operated via an app (see image #3, Dec 2023 - below - for a photo of the Moon taken with the Seestar). Please see Les' slides, in PDF format; also accessible via the middle, orange button further above, marked 'Telescopes, mounts and how to use them' (and please feel free to look at Peter Morris' guide to telescopes, also quoted on that PDF). 


Many thanks to club members who brought in equipment, and who helped out in any way on the evening.


Photos #1-2 by Les Jones; #3-4 by Emma Christmas; #5 by Liz Watson


December 2023 - Quiz, feedback session and observing

The YAs did well in our Christmas/New Year Quiz - a mix of true/false and multi-choice questions.  After a break for some festive nibbles, Les Brand held an interactive feedback session, asking the YAs their thoughts on the club, and what their favourite space and astronomy topics are - and their parents, via a questionnaire, what they'd like to get out of the club in 2024.  We are grateful to the adults who completed our survey; we also plan to e-mail this more widely round the YA section shortly. 


The skies were clear, so we then had an observing session outside (image #3 was taken that evening).


Photo credits: #1 and 3 - Les Brand; #2 - Magda Wheatley



November 2023 - Asterisms talk and activity

Peter Morris gave a talk about, and held an activity on, Asterisms. The YAs learned the differences between constellations and asterisms, and were shown examples of the latter; with animations to help illustrate some descriptive names. Also, using thick white felt pens, they drew asterisms of their own design, on A3-sized starcharts, depicting the night sky at various seasons (printed from Stellarium, planetarium software), and showed them to the rest of the audience.


Photos #1 by Les Jones; #2-4 by Magda Wheatley


Visit to Bayfordbury Observatory, University of Hertfordshire -

18 November 2023, 6-8pm

[this info also appears on our Events and Activities page, for adult members]


A very successful visit to Bayfordbury Observatory, at the University of Hertfordshire, organised by Les Brand. Thirty three people attended: a mix of Young Astronomers and their parents, plus adult club members. 


The evening opened with a talk by Calum about astronomy, covering aspects such as the structure of the universe, star development, and the university's own research.  There was then a thrilling planetarium show, presented by Ashley.  After this, we went outside, to see the radio and optical telescopes, and had a fascinating time learning how the 50cm Cassegrain and the 24” CDK telescopes are used. 


This visit was made possible through the kind donation made by Ian Ridgley and family in memory of Frances Ridgley, late Society founder member and long time Society Secretary.


Our thanks are due to Mily Riley, Bayfordbury Education Officer, and to Calum and Ashley.  We are very grateful to Les Brand for organising this visit.  See more photos below.


Further information:

Bayfordbury Observatory is the University of Hertfordshire's teaching observatory for astronomy and astrophysics.

  • Click here for info on its teaching and research, plus resources for adults, and children of various age groups.
  • Check out the HOYS Citizen Science project, which observes nearby young clusters and star-forming regions to study their variable young stars.


Photo credits: #1 - Magda Wheatley; #2 - Les Brand; #3 - Bill Wood; #4-6, 8 - Les Jones; #7 - Peter Morris


October 2023 - Observing

We had an impromptu observing evening, when the skies were unexpectedly clear.  The Young Astronomers were able to see the Moon, Jupiter (with its four closest moons) and Saturn through a variety of telescopes and binoculars that we had available - though it was perhaps a bit too light in the early evening, at this time of year, to see many stars. 


The Asterisms talk and activity that we had planned for this meeting will now be held in November. 


Photos #1-2 by Andrew Lyner; #3 by Peter Morris


September 2023 - Cosmic Distances (no meeting in August) -

With a talk and activities led by Les Brand, we had a great evening, learning about cosmic distances: what units are used, and how distances are measured (including the use of parallax, and ‘standard candles’!).  Exciting activities involved the YAs:


  • marking on long strips of paper their estimated locations of the planets. Then they were instructed to fold the back of the strips in sequence and then write down the more accurate locations of the planets. They then turn their strip round to see how close their estimates were to reality.
  • unfurling a very long strip of paper – informally called the “toilet roll” – showing the vast size of the Solar System.  The Sun and inner planets appear huddled together near the beginning, and the rest of the Solar System extends very far out!   


Photos #1-3 by Magda Wheatley; #4 by Andrew Lyner


July 2023 - Hands-on session about rockets and propulsion

Below: Making and propelling paper rockets

Below and below right: The 'stomp rocket' proved very popular!

Video credits:  Above and centre: Joe Bourne;  above right: Shihua Yan

We enjoyed Andrew Lyner's talk about the principles of propulsion, which included a short video showing children – one lying on a skateboard – pushing away from another.  Peter Morris and Magda Wheatley then ran the following activities:

 

  • Straw rockets: the YAs brought some paper rockets printed from templates circulated beforehand, and propelled them by blowing through straws. 
  • Soda rockets: we demonstrated ‘soda rockets’, made of plastic bottles, whereby sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) reacts with vinegar, blowing the corks off the bottles and propelling them into the air. They didn’t all go off, but a few did!
  • The 'stomp rocket' – shooting plastic rockets into the air by stamping on an air-filled device like a small hot water bottle – proved very popular, and was the highlight of the evening.

 

Please see the videos above!  Permission has been obtained from those featured here.  Many thanks to all who helped, or provided these videos. 


Practical, hands-on session about telescopes - June 2023


The Young Astronomers were fascinated to learn all about how telescopes work, and how to use them - and to have a go at astrophotography!  A special 'thank you' to club members Andy Bennett and Ian Moss who helped out with advice, demonstrations and supplying their telescopes for the evening.  The scopes were set up outside, and the YAs used distant terrestrial objects for pointing and focusing, and also observed the Moon.


Photo credits:  1. Liz Watson; 2 & 5. Reena Midha; 3 & 4. Les Brand



May 2023 - Talk about sundials, and sundial-making activity


Having been asked to bring scissors and a torch, the Young Astronomers learned about the principles, uses and development of sundials, and about the Sun's varying path across the sky through the year.  They were shown some models of different types of sundials used through history. 


Also, they experimented with a torch, casting shadows around a stick inserted into a base of plasticine, having marked out the hours; and also cut sundials from paper, creating a gnomon (which casts the shadow) from the paper circle. 


Many thanks to Andrew Lyner for presenting this talk, and running the activities. 


Images below by Andy Bennett


March 2023 - Hertzsprung-Russell (H-R) diagram activity


Using some star details, and sticky coloured stars, to plot absolute magnitude against spectral class, the Young Astronomers learned about the H-R diagram.  This diagram shows the relationship between a star's temperature and its luminosity, and can be used to chart the life cycle of a star.  They built up the chart, and then were shown an actual H-R diagram.  We like to think that the two are very close!  Judge for yourself from the images (courtesy Les Jones) below:

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